Saturday, November 20, 2010

Cold Comfort

I talked about it on my main blog, but I want to add a few notes here.

• One of many reasons I am thinking it's time for The Snip is birth control. The options suck, as we have discussed many times before. Right now I don't want to use hormonal birth control so we're using condoms/spermicide, and every time we use them I feel like I've been injured internally. Plus, if we use them two days in a row I get a UTI.

• Mike is a laid-back guy. It's one of his strong suits (as a neurotic over-fretter, I need his balance and calm), but it also means he's unlikely to make the appointment. If he waits too long, I'll stop using birth control and tell him so; that'll get him to the urologist in about 24 hours, is my guess. But I would resent being made to MANIPULATE him into something that is HIS CHOICE.

• I feel like this is his last chance to change his mind. I also feel that the fact that I am saying "Okay, go ahead and do it" gives me permission to make several last-ditch attempts: once the official surrender documentation is in place, the prisoner's entreaties don't have the same political impact. Tonight I said I thought his "no room in his heart for another baby" was bullshit, and I drew his attention specifically to our fifthborn, who is, frankly, his favorite, and I reminded him that he didn't think he had room for this one, but he did, and in fact he had more than enough room. Mike didn't argue, and he looked affectionately at fifthborn child as I was talking, and I know that he agrees with me---and yet I don't think it will change his mind.

• At this point, if he DID change his mind, I don't even know what I'd do. It's been two years since I thought I might die and/or divorce him if we didn't have another baby, and at this point I guess I must have mostly adjusted, because if he said, "You know what? I really think we should have just one more," I would have mixed feelings. Part of me would be ON THAT in about 2 seconds, and part of me would be thinking I'd rather risk having a baby than risk regretting one---and part of me would be thinking, "Hey, wait, really? The barfing, the worry, the diapers, the potty-training...?" ...Never mind: as I was typing that, I was doing the math and those tiny things don't even register on the scale against how wonderful it is to have another person here.

• So, if he said yes, I would have another baby. In fact, that's what kills me: that every month, another chance at a person disappears. The person who could have been absolutely essential to my continued happiness is gone forever. EVERY MONTH. And worse: we're running out of months, no matter what the decision is.

• I think the whole "both partners have to be 100% on board" thing is an enormous load of crap. ENORMOUS. load. of. crap. And I think it's used because it SOUNDS true---as do many other things that are believed fervently without any intellectual investment.

• I'd like to redirect my natural inclinations (loving babies, wanting babies), but it seems to me there isn't anywhere to put them. Before I had any children, I tried working in daycare, thinking that would help my baby fever---and I don't know how to explain it, but FAIL. The baby name blog helps. The idea of future grandchildren helps. Other people's pregnancies help. Buying baby things for charity helps. My niece, and the possibility of another niece or nephew---that helps. But there is no real outlet for this, um, "gift," this ability to want and love many sons and daughters. I'm stuck. People say "Be yourself! DO what you ARE!!" but sometimes that's not possible.

• At my last OB appointment I started crying and asked him to tell me when these baby cravings would GO AWAY, because this was RIDICULOUS. He said kindly, "Well, I can tell you this: the women in their sixties don't talk to me about it anymore." I was not comforted by this: after menopause, of COURSE women wouldn't be talking about it anymore to the OB. And my sixties are more than twenty years away. But I found his tone of voice comforting: it was sympathetic, and it implied that I was not the only one going through this. That I was not the only one crying to him in the exam room.

• I'll tell you where I find comfort right now: in thinking of each human being's insignificance, and in thinking that even if I DID have a sixth child, in a hundred years we'll still all be dead. My great-grandmother had eleven children (with two sets of twins), and now she is dead, and so are all her children, and it doesn't matter if she had always wanted a twelfth and pined the rest of her life, or if she'd wanted an eleventh and her husband didn't but went with it. Nothing matters. THAT is COMFORTING.

12 comments:

  1. Wow. I can totally feel your pain. It reminds me of when I started talking to my husband about having a 2nd child and he was just, "no, not going to happen." I was beside myself. It got to the point that I sort of planned out how I'd just stay with him until my son was old enough to handle a divorce, and then I'd leave him, so that I'd have some hope of having future kids, whether by adopting them myself, or by remarrying if the right person came along. Because why should I alter MY life plan and ignore MY longings and desires just because he's not on board?

    That would be like if he said to me - I know I've been an accountant my whole life, but I really want to be a teacher, and if I just told him, "no." Um, no, I don't get to just decide his life's path, right? At least not on the big things that are super important to his emotional well-being, right?

    What if you told Mike you wanted to go back to school (just an example)? He'd probably not be fond of the idea because of all the extra work and expense it would create for him, but he'd probably find a way to make it work, right? Because making you happy, fulfilling your needs, that's the most important thing, right? So how is this any different, really. As you've already said, he wouldn't not LOVE another child, that would never happen. And you already have a "big" familiy - it's not like you're trying to convince him to have 6 when you're only at 2 now.

    Girl, I feel for you. This stuff is the very definition of gut wrenching. Especially when you're a woman who adores children the way you (and I) do - they are EVERYTHING to you and such a huge part of who you are and what you do every day. Very tough stuff...

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  2. Anonymous- Yes, YES: I don't tell him he can't change jobs, or can't accept a promotion---and you're right, he absolutely wouldn't say no if I wanted to go back to school, or if I wanted to get a job. URRRGGG!!!

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  3. I feel for you and I wish I could helpo with magic words of wisdom that would make it all better. Instead I have this bit of information regarding our recent experience with The Snip. Our situation is different because we were both agreed that we are done with having kids (we have 3; in fact he had the actual procedure ON her birthday LOL). Hubby has been talking about snipping since the 3rd was born (she's 3). Once he finally made the call for an appointment, we discovered it was a longer process that we thought.
    First, we BOTH had to go for the consult. In our state, a married man cannot get the procedure without his wife's consent.
    Then, 2 weeks later, he got the actual procedure done.
    Six weeks later he took in a sample to see if there were any viable sperm in it (there were not).
    Three weeks after that he took in another sample to verify no swimmers (there were not) and after that he was cleared. From first phone call for the consult appointment to the all clear verdict it took almost 3 months.

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  4. Our experience was like Fran's. Made the appointment in January, got the all clear in early April-ish.
    I had to sign a release which both irritated and amused me.
    Anyway, the no birth control is nice, for sure.

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  5. I'm so sorry. Your pain is so clear in this post. I'm sorry. I am so, so sorry. I know how I felt after my second. I needed that third. It has to be heart wrenching to not have that person. I wish I could help.

    Also, I used to get UTIs every time we, ahem, even without birth control, etc. My OB gave me an Rx for antibiotics and I just take one every time. I haven't had a UTI since. It's awesome.

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  6. This? Sucks. I just can't be any more eloquent than that because crappy language is what this situation calls for. I'm not 100% sure I want another baby, but my husband is 100% sure that he doesn't and somehow that wins. I got an IUD after baby #2 and so far, so good. Part of me, though, is thinking, "You know what? If you don't want any more, then YOU need to be the one to take care of it - not me."

    And I'm such a lady, that every time he winces at the thought, I look at him and say, "Stiches. In my VAGINA." I win. Snip, snip my friend.

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  7. As someone who wants eleventy million babies (or four, or five), and only has ONE, and that ONE will be KINDERGARTEN next year, and OH MY GOODNESS I AM POSITIVELY GOING TO DIE SINGLE AND ALONE WITH MY CATS, I'm sorry.
    Cuz that sucks.
    And it is! A person!
    You are being deprived of a person.

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  8. I don't think that you proclaiming, "I am no longer tolerating *any* birth control" is manipulative as much as it is "my body-my decision". Of course, I understand not wanting to make such a statement if it does, in fact, push him over the edge into the snip. I am SO SORRY about this situation. I only have two, only want two and my husband and I agree on this but I remember fighting with him to go ahead and have the first and it was SO Heartbreaking because HE WON by default because I was not going to stoop to his level and make the decision FOR HIM by getting pregnant without his consent.
    But there's a thought...you could do to him EXACTLY what he is doing to you--which is, go ahead and decide WITHOUT consideration for his feelings.

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  9. I don't personally think it would be manipulative to choose to go off birth control. There are consequences to choices. His choice is to not have anymore children. If that is really his choice then he should do something permanent about it (snip) in order to not draw this out for you any longer than it has to. I think if you can calmly and kindly tell him that you will be going off birth control at a certain date in the future (remember a vasectomy is not considered successful until he is tested after either a certain number of months or a certain number of ejaculations and you can't be certain unless he is tesed) and that since he has decided he wants to get a vasectomy that he will need ot make sure that he gets it done in time. You tell him you love him, but it is not your responsibility to take care of this for him, and it is unkind of him to ask you to when this is not the outcome you wanted. It is about each of your choices and the consequences of those choices. He has to deal with the consequences of his choices. The consequence of choosing to stop having children is to take responsibility for one's own fertility. You just need to say it in a way that does not convey manipulation/anger but acceptance.

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  10. Exactly what Shannon said. Well put, and makes perfect sense.

    I'm so sorry you're in this situation, it just sucks.

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  11. I feel your pain. It is heart wrenching when spouses don't agree on the number of children they want.

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  12. I agree with Shannon, but I wouldn't put a date on it, because I wouldn't be able to actively be prevent the child I wanted so very, very dearly for a moment longer.

    You're suffering for it emotionally AND physically every single time you do this.

    So I'd tell him why, and I'd stop, from today.

    I wouldn't suggest he then go and make an appointment to get himself snipped because I'd still feel I was playing a significant part in the No More Children future if I did. I'd let him work it all out on his own.

    If he shows up one hot night sporting his condom and spermacide covered manthing, I'd be all "very nice, but you're not putting THAT thing THERE". (I really would be, if only for the UTIs)

    I'd be honest and upfront, and then I wouldn't budge from my No Contraception stance.

    I'd give a lot of thought to how I'd feel AFTER the snip too, and if I feared I'd resent intimacy when it was, for ever and ever after the operation, so if/when he presented vasectomy as the solution to ALL out problems, I'd speak of these fears too. Because if I wanted a baby, and my husband was now shooting blanks, I'd fear that, making love would now be empty and pointless and would no longer meaning.

    Not because it was always ever only about making babies, but because he'd stomped on my dreams, I might not ever be able to love the part of him that went and did this to US.

    I don't think an extra baby would end your marriage, but I'm not there. I don't know. I DO think feelings of betrayal and resentment CAN end a marriage. Granted, your husband might feel these things if you got knocked up, and there's the catch.

    Which is why letting him manage his own, uh, "business" without contraception is SO important. If you get pregnant, he knew the risks, and he went ahead and special timed anyway.

    Of course, I'm single. And maybe now you're not wondering why.

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