Friday, October 22, 2010

Update on the Sister in the House

Do you remember This is Why I Don't Tell You These Things, in which Mike tried to defend the decision to let his sister live in their mother's house rent-free and indefinitely by turning it into something about ME and how crazy _I_ was? I knew I would need to revisit this subject with him, but I didn't know how.

The way I did it was, I waited until I was sufficiently liquored up and I felt ready, and I said to him, out of the blue, while cooking dinner, "I know you're trying to keep us from getting all excited about chickens before they hatch [that was one of his excuses for keeping it from me], but the way it makes me feel is like you're excluding me from important decisions that affect our family, and that you're keeping secrets from me."

I let him process this for a minute (he seemed affectionate and sympathetic, like "Oh, my sweet and silly wifey!"), and then I launched into my primary issues. I feel like you're all so up on these things you already know, but the gist was (1) this current arrangement is unfair, and (2) this current arrangement is crazy, and (3) this current arrangement will lead to problems in the future.

I don't know if it had an effect. I said my piece, and he said a few things that I countered (examples:

1. he said his sister seemed pretty responsible and mature, and I said she was 34 and living with their mother because she got kicked out by the two roommates she tried to live with because she didn't do her share

2. he said he was sure it was just temporary and I said Uh huh and had anything been decided about who would pay for household repairs? No? HUH

3. he said that he was employed by a good company and couldn't ask his single sister to pay rent or take out a mortgage for half the house, and I pointed out that we could also see it as his free-and-clear sister who had 1.5 jobs and no children and no expenses vs. he who had a family and a mortgage).


And then I left for my evening walk, and we haven't said anything since.

The best I can hope for is that what I said is percolating. There are two worsts: (1) that he will ignore what I said, or that (2) he will agree, but will be unable to muster the intestinal fortitude to do anything about it.

Not that I even know what SHOULD be done. Because what SHOULD have been done is his sister never should have suggested such an arrangement, and I don't know how to handle someone who WOULD suggest it.


**** UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE ****

He just now forwarded me an email exchange he had with his sister, which he prefaced to me "Well, I tried." And would you like to know what he tried? He tried whining a little to her that he hoped this wouldn't go on too long because owning half a house was weird and he didn't know how to do that on his taxes, and that maybe it would make sense for her to someday slowly buy out his half. THAT IS ALL HE SAID. To which she responded that he should ASK HIS ACCOUNTANT about the tax thing, and also that they (he and she) would need to pay for the roof to be replaced. His accountant. That would be ME, I guess, since I do our taxes.

Did he say, "Hey, Beth, we need to talk about the house. If we're not going to sell it now, we need to decide if we're going to rent it out or what. Are you interested in keeping the house? If so, let's have the house appraised and you can buy me out---I don't mind that the market is low right now." NO.

I don't even know how to reply to that crap "Well, I tried."

17 comments:

  1. I don't blame you for being frustrated. Now is a great time for the sister to buy Paul out of his half, since the market is low. She would get a great deal, Paul would get rid of his share... win/win for everyone.

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  2. Oh my lord. This is INFURIATING. You made such good points and your sample what-he-should-have-emailed is so so so much better and still perfectly reasonable sounding! Email that to him. Bonus points for asking whether you/he can forward it on to little sis.

    Annnd you left a strikethrough!

    GOOD LUCK. GAH.

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  3. Ha! He could tell her that he DID consult his accountant (you) and the she strongly advised that he either put the house on the market immediately and split the proceeds with sister or have sister buy him out. Anything else (according to the accountant) would be messy and complicated and expensive. Draft the response for him this time to show him what a real 'try' looks like.

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  4. I like LoriD's comment. I doubt Mike will be willing to do it, but it might be worth a shot.

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  5. Sorry Connie. This really sucks. We all know you are right, but if you push too hard it could be really ugly. Hopefully he'll get a clue soon.

    Maybe you could leave some articles around for him to see about how right after the first of the year is a great time to list a house....

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  6. I don't know how to respond to this crap either. My head may actually explode from frustration. Once you've calmed down (which might take a few years, or at least that's how long it would take me to recover), maybe point out to him that he didn't ACTUALLY try? Or you can say that as "his accountant," YOU are happy to raise this issue with her from a purely tax/financial point of view?

    "My single sister can't be asked to pay rent"? WHO SAYS THAT? Do only married people have to pay for housing now, as punishment for being in a stable relationship?

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  7. You are married. I think YOU need to talk to the sister. (She says, bravely, from the safety of her own couch where she will decidedly NOT be speaking to David's sister about sensitive matters.)

    Gawd, this is exactly the kind of situation that makes me feel RANTY. How... HOW effing HOW can people be so CLUELESS? (I'm thinking of the sister here). YOU pay for half the roof? On a house she's living in, rent free, and refuses to sell?

    I actually think your final paragraph there is a totally reasonable way to state things to his sister. Maybe you DO actually have to get involved. Could you send him that paragraph, and say "It seems like you are having trouble with coming up with how to word things. How does this sound?" and include the calm and well-thought out wording? I mean, this is probably sounding like total ASSVICE, but I feel like David and ah, what's his name here? Mike? are very similar, and David would simply no know HOW to word it, or how to approach it, and he'd benefit from coaching on my part.

    SIGH. BIG HUGE SIGH.

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  8. I'm so annoyed by this that I can't even craft a coherent comment. The SINGLE sister is more than capable of paying rent and should FOR SURE be taking out a mortgage to buy Mike out. Argh.

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  9. This whole situation makes me seethe. Like, it is not even happening to me, and I am fretting over it. Mike calls that TRYING??? I call it pussing out. The fact that you are holding it together and not reaming him out, well, that is a testament to your strength.

    I get not wanting to make waves; I am the leader of The Make No Waves movement, and if it were a situation that had no effect on you or your family, that would be another story. But surely, this will cost you money, and time as well.

    Can you say something to her, or will that take Mike over the edge? Can you write the email you want him to send and have him cut and paste it? Oh, this makes me want to SCREAM!

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  10. LoriD is so right! It would be messy and complicated and expensive, as evidenced by advice that you'd have to get a real accountant instead of being able to do them yourself! OMGahhhhhhhh.

    And I had forgotten about her talking about splitting the price of the roof. How on EARTH would Mike be paying her money when she is living there rent-free?!?!?! What is she doing with her money?! Is she currently employed?!

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  11. The way she sees it, she's living in a house we don't want to live in anyway, so it costs us nothing. Then when it comes to expenses, she sees it as "Hey, this is OUR house, we pay together!" The infuriating thing is that MIKE SEES IT THIS WAY TOO.

    Yes, she's employed; in fact, she has both a full-time and a part-time job, because she gets bored if she's not working. And she has no expenses. Poor, poor sister!

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  12. Yeah... your husband is being a dick, here. Seriously. I say raise holy hell until he does what you want. I am serious. This is your LIFE. You have to share stuff with him, he has to share stuff with you. That's how it works. Confront! Get it over with! This is bullshit. If she lives there rent-free, y'all don't pay for half of ANYTHING. Put your foot down.

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  13. Raise hell. Maybe write out your plan, but have some steps you are going to take WITH Mike and get it done. Mike needs your help. Now that I know she's not destitute or disabled or something I am even more mad at SIL. I'm a teensy bit sympathetic for Mike b/c she is testing him, putting him in an awkward position and you throw in how we all get weirded out about death and maybe he feels like he is doing something wrong by turning his mom's inheritance into what could be a fight, like his mom would roll over in her grave or what have you.

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  14. If they don't want to sell it and she doesn't want to pay rent, then she should be responsible for all expenses while she lives there rent free.

    It just screams of unfair that you are getting nothing out of it but you are having to put in. I love your last paragraph and would send it to her or tell hubs too.

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  15. I'd contact legal aid near you to see about whether or not a lien on the house makes sense in this case. Who is the executor of the will? If it's not Mike or your SIL, they may be someone to approach for help since the home was left to both equally...

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  16. First of All, "The Sister in the House" sounds like a title to a horror film.
    Second of all, your hubby there is acting like a typical man and knowing that is not any less frustrating.
    THIRD of all, I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT STAND IT WHEN MEN UNDERESTIMATE THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE WOMEN THEY'VE CHOSE AS THEIR LIFE PARTNERS, ESP WHEN SAID WOMEN ARE SUPER SMART AND CEOS of THE HOUSEHOLD AND NOTHING WOULD GET DONE WITHOUT THEM!!!

    *end rant*

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